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| Janet and Sage "talking." (10/29/2008); Your joking, right? | |
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| Drewdex | Oct 29 2008, 08:17 PM Post #1 |
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Given the circumstances, and Sage's obvious distaste for her father's "woman of the moment" I at least have to give Janet a little props for attempting to make overtures to Sage today when the two had their "girl talk." But seriously, who was she kidding? Not that I even think the marriage is going to happen... but I thought suggesting to Sage that if she ever wants or needs anything that Carly and Jack won't allow her or give her, to come to Janet and ask for it to get it... wasn't that overstepping boundaries, in the slightest bit? I thought that statement was a bit  and was surprised Jack didn't step in and say something. Honestly, I could be reading to much into it, but I thought that comment was out of bounds. Sure Janet might be step-mother, but that doesn't really give her any parental say or authority in Sage's life. Yes, Sage has to respect her and everything, but Janet can't let her do things that her parents say no too. I have to think if Carly and Jack would both say "no" to something, then Sage is better off without it, and Janet is better off making promises she shouldn't try to keep, and overstep her boundaries.I also get that Jack wants everyone to be one big lovely, dovey, happy family... but who is he kidding? He did this same song and dance several months ago with Katie [don't get me going on how this storyline is pretty much a replay of Katie/Jack/Carly], so how does he expect any of his kids to take this seriously, period?  I do have to say I like Sage taking after her mother. Carly did the right thing correcting Sage. But she's definitely Carly's daughter. She's going to be a trouble-maker when she grows up! 
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| Judy | Oct 29 2008, 08:45 PM Post #2 |
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I thought Janet came on way too strong. They just announced that they are getting married and clearly Sage is upset so why not give her sometime rather than trying to win her over immediately. Janet was way out of line with that comment that if her parents told her no to come to Janet and she would let her do it or get it for her etc. Clearly Janet is willing to buy her acceptance by Sage. That totally crossed the line that she thinks she can overrule what Sage's parents say. I couldn't believe Jack just stood there and smiled and if I was Carly I would have been out of that kitchen in a flash saying wait a minute. As a step-mother Janet needs to respect the decisions Jack and Carly make and uphold them. I was also surprised to hear Janet say to Liberty that she and Parker could stay with them at different times. So what if Liberty wants to live with her mother? Guess that's out of the question or else Parker can never stay with Jack. Why not just say I know it won't be easy but we'll find a way to work it out. Janet just tries to hard to be in the good graces of Liberty and now Sage and forgets that she's a mother. she acts more like one of the kids. What was good though was when Janet said to Jack that Jack Snyder never breaks a promise. That is like guaranteeing he is about to break one and I'm betting the promise he breaks is the one about marrying Janet 
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| Drewdex | Oct 29 2008, 08:56 PM Post #3 |
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I agree, Janet came on really strong today and Jack just stood there looking like a grinning dope  . Clearly his daughter is upset, and Janet is making promises she shouldn't be allowed to keep because she doesn't have that kind of authority. She totally overstepped her boundaries. I also have to think Carly must have been busying herself with lemonade preparation, because I can't see Carly letting Janet make that comment and get away with it. I don't even want Jack and Julia to make it to the altar. I like that Parker called Carly to the table today. Janet's comment was inconsiderate, especially considering Parker is Jack's son, and she's only going to contribute to a messy situation with provisions like that. This is going to blow up. The sooner, the better! 
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| JuliaGRO | Oct 29 2008, 10:24 PM Post #4 |
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When doesn't Janet come on too strong? lol She's always usually the proverbial bull in the China shop. The only thing she did that surprised me was thank Carly for getting them together. The poor girl is smokin' the same wacky weed as Jack. Oy. Such deja vu. The only thing different this time is I don't hate the "other woman," I really feel sorry for her.. One of Jacks' gripes against Carly has always been that her lies hurt people. Well, Jack actually does the same thing, it's just in a less clear cut manner. He really needs to have a "come to Jesus" moment to turn this puppy around.  For once I was happy to see sullen, uncooperative Parker... and Sage. Give Daddy hell guys!  |
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| Patty | Oct 30 2008, 07:06 AM Post #5 |
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I've said this before - maybe it's time for Carly and Jack to be over for good. I am absolutely sick of Jack. And I'm beginning to wonder what Carly (or any woman) sees in him. They act like he's the biggest catch in the world. I don't think so. He is a sanctimonious, judgmental person. He's continuously looking for someone who isn't Carly. Well let him have her (whoever she is). I was always able to see the connection between Jack and Carly but I'm not able to much any more. Maybe someone can tell me what is there to like about Jack? I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE for TPTB to try out Dusty and Carly. It would be an interesting match. As for Jack and Janet - I really don't care. Keep Carly away from Jack. I'd like to see how Carly or Jack would like it if Janet allowed Sage to do something they had explicitedly said no to. How would any parent feel? |
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| aetmauro | Oct 30 2008, 08:26 AM Post #6 |
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I was pretty shocked at how Janet, not Jack, was the first adult to even TALK to Sage after the engagement announcement. Jack was blatantly avoiding talking to Sage in any manner, knowing she wasn't going to like the news. I personally don't think that Janet gave too much thought to what she was saying, long term, as much as she was just trying - WAY too hard, too - to connect with Sage in any way she could. She tried humor first and then flat-out bribery. Sage is old enough not to be sold on either if she doesn't like the situation to begin with. This is the SAME CRAP that the kids went through when Jack pushed Katie down their throats, too. Katie was constantly sucking up to the kids! There's a difference between respecting your fiance's children and sucking up to them.  Janet definitely was out of line with the promise of helping Sage get whatever she wanted, so to speak, but like I said, I don't think she was really thinking of the implications of her words. Jack, on the other hand, was totally out of line by letting those comments go without chiming in to set things more accurately. Janet has a close relationship with her daughter and I've only been seeing them for a few weeks now, but I don't get the sense that they are Mother-Daughter at times, more like friends or aunt-niece. That's just my take on it... Sage and Carly cracked me up, and I liked how Carly handled it. I liked Parker's reaction, too. Liberty is too ditzy but her advice to Janet to give the kids time to get used to things was smart. Janet and Liberty are cut from the same clueless cloth, though, sheeeeesh. And I absolutely agree with JuliaGRO's comments about Jack - he hurts people left and right, just not in the same 'in your face' way that Carly has done.  If TPTB want another round of CarJack, they better address what it would do to the kids - for heaven's sake, all 3 of them (where's JJ?) would be showing some signs of anger and confusion over it. The child actors involved could certainly handle the material. |
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| aetmauro | Oct 30 2008, 08:30 AM Post #7 |
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Patty, I think Carly & Dusty would be interesting, too. Start with a working relationship and see how they do. If nothing else, it would steam Emily to no end!!! And Lily and Holden would get a bit of a jolt The ONLY potentially ick part, for me at least, would be their connections to Hal. Parker is his son, after all, and Dusty was married to Jen. But that's not all that horrible in the Soap World, I know. Just kind of to me, I guess.
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| Judy | Oct 30 2008, 08:47 AM Post #8 |
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Whiile I think Grayson and Maura would work well together, I don't think the characters of Dusty and Carly would work without changing Carly. Dusty does like to rescue women and I don't see Carly as the type who wants to be rescued. She's a fighter and stronger than that. I think she's too feisty for Dusty. Bottom line they just need to fix the writing for Jack and Carly. There was no need for this proposal to Janet. If the writers want to drag this out or if they decided to end CarJack for good, then I think TPTB would have to accept the fact they lose a lot of viewers. A lot of Carly and Jack fans are tuning out in anger after being fooled one more time about a reunion and if it's over for good they'll only lose more. Even Parker not long ago let it be known he would like Carly and Jack together and it's been very obvious all along with JJ and Sage. I don't think the kids would be showing anger over a possible reunion. Fear possibly but especially JJ and Sage have shown that is what they want. |
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| aetmauro | Oct 30 2008, 09:04 AM Post #9 |
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Judy, I agree with you on what the 3 kids want. My point was that the see-saw of changing relationships with their parents and various partners simply leads to confused and angry kids. Just say that Carly and Jack get together again - no matter how happy the kids will be about it, and I have no doubt that they WOULD be happy, there's also going to be - inevitably - the sense that someday, somehow, things are going to break apart again. You have 2 teens and a tween - there will be hope, insecurity, wariness and fear. That would be pretty normal. All 3 kids have been through so much upheaval already. I don't think they doubt that they are loved by their parents. I think they just want to have a stable foundation and that's never really been possible or lasted very long. The show doesn't have to go overboard with angst for the kids but at least show what they would be feeling, from the highs and lows. Besides, the wariness has already been evident with Lily and Holden's kids and well addressed by the writers, IMO. It would make sense for Carly & Jack's kids to feel similarly about their parents, too. |
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| Judy | Oct 30 2008, 09:50 AM Post #10 |
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I think the seesawing can lead to confused and angry kids but that's just as much the result of the other failed relationships as it is of Carly and Jack being together. I don't see that as being just because Carly and Jack try it again. I see rushed relationships like what is happening with Janet and Jack right now as being even more harmful because the kids got no time to adjust to Janet before Jack announced they were getting married. We already saw that Parker is very angry with Jack's decision and how hurt Sage is. JJ was the last to come around to Katie so I expect him to be even more unhappy. I think another attempt of Jack and Carly reuniting would bring about more fear of failure and being hurt than anger. That's very much what I see with Faith too. She's afraid of getting hurt again in this. And that's exactly why Jack and Carly decided not to try again. It wasn't because they didn't want to but rather they felt they had to be able to guarantee that it would work or else they couldn't be together because it would hurt too many people. Realistically who can guarantee a relationship will work? Unfortunately Jack proposed to Janet without thinking about who he would be hurting. He basically let Liberty talk him into it without thinking about what it would do to his own kids. And if you looked at his face yesterday as Janet shared the news with Carly, he clearly was not happy. It was pretty obvious this isn't what he really wants. In the end that too will hurt more people. |
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| Drewdex | Oct 30 2008, 01:01 PM Post #11 |
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I agree with the point you are raising Judy. If anything if there is a "negative" reaction from their children regarding a possible Carjack reunion most likely Parker, JJ, and Sage would be more fearful of their parents breaking up again, and rightfully suspicious if this was for real this time. I could see the kids being pessimistic and thinking that this was just another temporary reunion until their mother did something that offended their father and send Jack packing once again. I will never truly understand why this show always insists on Carly being the one that has to fight for Jack's heart and love. Carly is the mother of his children, and she has always been there for him- and although she makes bad choices, she has always put her family first, just the way she went around problems was bad. It's time Jack start fighting for Carly. He started to almost several weeks ago, but gave up to easily. I want him to realize Janet is not the one, end their stupid engagement, and pursue Carly as he rightfully should. He needs to stop thinking like an  .
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