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| flashdance | Jul 5 2009, 12:33 PM Post #1 |
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I find it disturbing that CARLY & HOLDEN was the last preview on FRIDAY's end of the week previews. WHOM EVER decides which clips to edit together for the PREVIEWS....needs to be just find another job. With such a wishy washy crowd of viewers for ATWT....I find that watching and seeing CARLY & HOLDEN in the previews....did the following.... 1- I now wish CARLY's days are numbered before her leave. It is one thing to have her approaching marriage occur or not....another thing to bring her sister back...you almost start to wonder...WHERE's MOLLY?? 2- Is CARLY really going to take a break?? 3- Will CARLY and HOLDEN finally be the last paragraph in this chapter?? |
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| RogerNewcomb | Jul 8 2009, 07:47 PM Post #2 |
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You can find out by watching Thursday's ATWT at CBS.com which they mistakenly put up instead of today's episode. :) |
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| Freem06 | Jul 9 2009, 09:21 AM Post #3 |
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I have always been a Jack and Carly fan but I really liked the scenes with Holden on the show more than with Criag. |
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| hannahjayne | Jul 9 2009, 10:26 AM Post #4 |
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I just watched....I guess I can't wait for this story to move along a bit. My only comment since its hasn't aired yet is that I officially hate Janet! 'nuff said. |
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| Freem06 | Jul 9 2009, 04:14 PM Post #5 |
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I guess miss goody goody two shoes janet is finelly showing her true colors. I was kinda of tired of her perfect act. I liked when she first came on but after marrying Jack they made her into the stepford wife. |
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| loves2turn | Jul 9 2009, 04:24 PM Post #6 |
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Honestly, I don't have a problem with Janet, the idea that Carly is still Jack's responsibility is crap.  Yeah, he can care about her, and do what he can to help, but come on.... no way is he responsible for her and no way should she come before Janet. 
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| RogerNewcomb | Jul 9 2009, 09:52 PM Post #7 |
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I agree with Barb. What Rosanna was saying made no sense. In what plent is someone's ex-husband who has moved on with a new wife, responsible for helping his suddenly alcoholic ex-wife. He can take care of Sage and Parker, of course, but Carly has a fiance already and a family. |
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| RichB | Jul 10 2009, 07:38 AM Post #8 |
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Jack did the right thing as far as Carly's drunken odyssey was concerned  . He explained to Sage that her mom is sick, that alcoholism is a disease and that Carly will need help from her, Parker, Craig, Rosanna as well as Jack and Janet. But then when Holden calls Jack because Carly's passed out she just sees this as yet another situation where he has to come to the rescue. The way she puts it, "Why does everyone think you are Carly's responsibility? CAn't she be someone else's problem for once?" She's just fed up at at this point. But when it turns out that Carly had to be rushed to the hospital and have her stomach pumped  , Janet is shocked and sympathetic and realizes her job is to be there for Parker and Sage. Janet protects Parker by not saying that his mom is in the hospital but that she is with Jack and is safe.  Actually this whole episode is about everyone involved in Carly's life feeling responsible for her alcoholism. Parker is so racked with guilt at this point. He tells Liberty he should have told Jack a lot sooner about Carly's drinking. He made her life hell by dropping out and removing her as a trustee. He was an enabler, by making the deal with her that he would not rat her out if she did not rat him out. He made it easier for her risk her own life and when she's missing he thinks she could be dead somewhere. He's really scared because Carly doesn't want to get help. It finally gets through Craig's head that he had something to do with Carly's drinking and he feels like an enabler. According to Ro he's more like a predator and used her vulnerablility to his advantage. He likes to be in control so it worked out good for him. Ro is trying to protect Carly by insisting that Jack be responsible for her. But that's due to her history with Craig. She does not trust him. Still Craig is her fiancee so should be there for her at this point even if he is not as dependable as Jack.  How ironic that Carly feels that no one cares about her and only wants to judge her and that makes her want to drink. It figures that Holden is the only one she wants to turn to because he has not been part of her life during all these drinking binges. Of course lying in a hospital bed, Carly's very apologetic and it seems like she'll accept any direction that will get her help.  The subplot involving Nuke's move in day was just o.k.  I would have rather seen Noah just throw the box of his father's things into a dumpster instead of burning them on a floating bonfire in the Snyder pond!  The good part of it was how it showed DAmian accepting of Noah and Luke as a couple and how he appreciates the love they share. Everyone should appreciate love that is reciprocated. 
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| hannahjayne | Jul 10 2009, 08:04 AM Post #9 |
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Well, as a jaded Carjacker I see it differently. Rosanna comes back to town to find Carly and Craig engaged, but Carly wasn't the same Carly. In Rosanna's opinion Craig is the reason that Carly is drinking. She hasn't been around the past few years to know all of the hell that Carly's been through so it makes perfect sense that she would equate Carly's drinking to her being with Craig. That leaves Jack for her to turn to help Carly stop drinking and get her away from Craig. Yes, Janet is probably right about her opinion that Carly shouldn't be Jack's problem. But Jack and Carly will always be in each other's orbit because of their past and their three children. Jack, although lately he's been a jerk, is still Carly's rock. Up until Rosanna came back to Oakdale Carly had no other family or support system (mainly because the writers don't know how to write about non-sexual relationships). Do you mean to tell me that if Brad was in trouble Janet wouldn't help him? I think Janet knows deep down that Jack still loves Carly and is jealous of that. |
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| Patty | Jul 10 2009, 08:13 AM Post #10 |
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I disagree that Craig is the main reason for Carly's drinking. Everyone wants to blame him (because he is the easiest person to blame for any and everything in Oakdale). Carly's drinking has a lot of causes and there is blame to go around to all those that are around her - first and foremost, Carly herself. The STRONG Carly needs to return. I feel her toxic relationship with Jack has beat the strength that I love about Carly out of her. That doesn't make it Jack's fault. It's Carly who allowed this to happen. I am really liking Rosanna and Carly's relationship lately and hopefully Rosanna will be the rock in Carly's recovery. After she recovers, then she can evaluate her relationship with Craig. As far as I'm concerned, there is no Carly and Jack. He is much too judgmental a person to be involved in her recovery. Their time has come and gone. Janet is right that Jack should not be Carly's problem and I have a wonderful solution to her problem. Janet and Jack and Liberty should move FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR away from Oakdale and then she won't have to deal with Jack being involved with anyone else but her. |
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| Judy | Jul 10 2009, 09:16 AM Post #11 |
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Jack has been trying to back off with his involvement with Carly but this was a different situation. This affects the safety of his kids. And still he was trying to limit his involvement. He told that to Rosanna at the hospital. Because of the impact this can have on his kids, it is his problem. His kids are asking him for help with this. How sad that he had to look to Janet for permission when Sage asked if he would help support Carly in her recovery too. Janet can't have it both ways. When Brad was at risk for going to jail for what he did to Leo, Janet wanted Jack to fix things so Liberty's father and her one night stand wouldn't go to prison, despite the fact it ended up costing Jack his job. She didn't want it because Brad was Jack's brother, but rather because Libby Lou couldn't have her father in prison. Brad has a wife so why should he still be Janet's problem and then ask Jack for help? If Jack should help when it affects Liberty then certainly he should be involved when it affects his own kids. And this affects his kids tremendously. I think Rosanna was right on the money. Craig can't fix this and he'll continue to prove that. They also couldn't have made it more obvious that Carly didn't want this wedding but Craig kept pushing for what he wants. Heck at Yo's he said he wanted this, he wanted to be married and he wanted a father for Johnny and not one comment about what Carly wanted or needed. Rosanna is right that he is a predator. He didn't make Carly drink but he took advantage of her when she was down. He knows a sober Carly sends him away as she did repeatedly. He turned a blind eye so he could get what he wanted. When Parker saw her drinking he called Parker a liar. He kept covering for Carly when she was drinking. He wasn't the reason she started drinking but he enabled her and she kept him around because he became her protection from those that weren't going to back off about her drinking. Even Craig seemed to finally realize that was why she kept him around. I think even he knows she doesn't really love him. Thankfully I think Jack will be very much involved in her recovery. Janet knew Jack and Carly would always have that connection but she decided to ignore that because she wanted so badly to be married. I think she'll soon decide it wasn't worth getting married when she would never have all of the man's heart. I think Craig will be quite busy with Rosanna while Carly is gone and who knows where that will lead. |
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| loves2turn | Jul 10 2009, 10:02 AM Post #12 |
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Yes, Judy, but after Janet put Jack through that mess where he left his job, she realized she had been wrong. AND, after all, she didn't have a gun to Jack's head.  The way I see it, NOBODY is responsible for Carly's drinking problem except Carly and her genetic pre-disposition to alcoholism. Now, EVERYBODY did the wrong thing in not communicating among themselves about what they saw, and trying to deny how bad off she really was, but they aren't the reason she has the problem to begin with. Also... for Carly and Jack to EVER reconnect on an equal footing, Carly has to find the strength within herself and through a good program, to overcome her problem, and not look to Jack to be her rock. He can devote himself to his marriage and his and Carly's kids, and that should be it, IMO.
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| RichB | Jul 10 2009, 10:31 AM Post #13 |
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While it's true that Craig was quite comfortable in a relationship where a woman was totally depdendent on him and where he is in contro,l I don't think he intentionally set it up that way with Carly. It worked out that way because Carly allowed it to and Craig did not fight her or challenge her enough about her drinking. It was a classic alcoholic-enabler relationship and it could have continued if Carly had not been admitted to Memorial. Craig is as much a part of the problem as Carly but I would like to see Rosanna help Carly rather than Jack because he needs to put his own wife first. While we can see this as a way to bring Carly and Jack together again, I think it will be more about breaking apart Carly and Craig. Neither one is good for the other.:hmm Still the way things escalated with Carly's drinking I think her relationship with Craig turned out to be more toxic than it was with Jack. 
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| Judy | Jul 10 2009, 10:54 AM Post #14 |
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But the point is Janet did ask him to get involved. When it comes to Liberty, she comes first for Janet. She's even said that to Jack. Janet realized later she was wrong for burning the papers but I don't think she ever thought she was wrong to ask for help. And in this case, it is really about Sage and Parker who are having a tough time dealing with this. Heck I don't think Janet even liked when Jack asked her to call Parker. If Jack were running every time Carly needed a light bulb changed, she'd have room for argument but this time I don't think she does because this has such an effect on the kids. Jack tried to step back and let Craig deal with it and look where that got them. Things have only gotten worse. As Rosanna said she doesn't think they can trust Craig to deal with this and that is why she's asking Jack to help. Jack didn't volunteer and in fact said Carly wasn't his responsibility anymore. I think Holden called Jack because of the relationship they have, because he sure doesn't like Craig after everything he's done to Holden's family, and Carly was running away from Craig. It was critical to get her help first and worry about Craig later. |
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| loves2turn | Jul 10 2009, 12:13 PM Post #15 |
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The dynamics in these two instances are totally different, which is why I have to stick to my guns. I did think that Janet was totally wrong to do what she did, thus causing all the trouble for Jack. But this situation now is too toxic for everybody concerned for there to be any indication that Carly can still lean on Jack and not stand on her own two feet...eventually, of course... it's toxic not only for Carly, Jack and Janet, but for Parker and Sage, as well.... as you and I said on the other board,  I'd be okay with Jack being the one to convince Carly to get into a program, and admit she needs it, but NOT because she's doing it for Jack.....
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